By Civil Service World

05 Nov 2019

CSW's new podcast looks at the dynamics of the most important relationship in government

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On this week's episode of The Civil Service World Podcast, Jess Bowie and Suzannah Brecknell are talking to Sir Leigh Lewis and John Hutton – Baron Hutton of Furness – about the relationship between ministers and their permanent secretaries, recalling their time at the top of the Department for Work and Pensions.

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